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Why aren't people hammering the marriage bigots with this? There's a manifest difference in a debate which has as its founding proposition that same-sex marriage is a theoretical construct in the US -- which is the proposition marriage bigots want to promote -- and the debate which has as its founding proposition that same-sex marriages are tonigght hereand there thousands of them.

The latter forces the marriage bigots to come out and admit that their proposed amendment and their goals destroy Lonely lady looking hot sex Martinsville marriages between real people -- thousands of marriages between thousands of people.

Why aren't people asking the marriage bigots flat out what they have against marriage? And by what right are they able to say that couples who are already legally married should have their marriages declared null and void? This proposed amendment breaks up marriages. God damn it, people should Married wife looking sex tonight Corning hollering this at the top their lungs every time one of those marriage bigots gets all sanctimonious about what marriage means.

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As long as the marriage bigots can frame the debate as "defending marriage," they can avoid acknowledging their agenda is patently hateful.

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But the accurate frame is that they're attacking marriage -- and attacking actual marriages -- to change the definition of marriage into something that is in line with a discriminatory social agenda.

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Same-sex marriage is already here in the US. Thousands of same-sex married couples already exist in the US.

The marriage bigots want to destroy the marriages of thousands of Americans. Could we please make note of these salient facts? Really, it's not too much to ask. Andrew Cory June 5, More seriously, until it can be shown how legal marriage between two adults in any way causes me harm, I say let sec rule.

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Until then, they should just follow the bible on this Steve June 5, Didn't polygamous marriages exist in the US lookimg before they were outlawed? I'm not from the country, so I'm unsure of this.

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Bill the Splut June 5, Half of all American marriages end in divorce. Isn't that the biggest threat wifw the sanctity of marriage? Why aren't Republicans trying to ban divorce?

That'll save the Institution of Marriage right there! Plenty South San Francisco girls horny people are saying these things to the marriage bigots. But c'mon, these are people dumb enough be marriage bigots in the first place. It doesn't help that there's a large, wimpy middle of people who aren't overtly marriage bigots, but who whine about how They should just call it something other than marriage.

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There is nothing wrong with having Civil Unions for the gay people and Marriage for the heteros, as long as the same rights are extended.

Currently, civil unions do not enjoy the same rights but in the future it could. This should eliminate the "separate but unequal" argument. It is unfair for the minority to impose its value system on the majority, but it is similary unfair for the majority to penalize the minority viewpoint.

The "conventional" Licking Pussy in Culver City California is wrongsince, as noted, same-sex couples can lpoking do get married right here in the US of A. Indeed it does not.

But it does mean they are misinformed as to what marriage means in the US. And those people who believe that people who are married should stop being married simply because their marriage does not fit a "conventional" definition most definitely are bigots. Given that same-sex couples are legally getting Marrie, telling them that there's this "separate but equal" thing that's just like the real thing isn't going to fly. We've been down that road before, and it didn't work out all that great then.

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Andrew, it is not correct to say "Until then, we can just follow the Bible. As someone in congress put it, correcting a senator who said the government should be upholding the bible, "Senator, when you took your oath of office you put your hand on the bible and swore to uphold the constitution.

You did not put your hand on the constitution and swear to uphold the bible. No need for separate-but-equal: If nothing else, the fact that some churches will deny marriage to gays will serve as a useful indicator of which churches are too dumb to join.

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By the way, once we get beyond this nonsense of denying civil union to gays, we can do away with domestic partnerships; you want the benefits of civil union, you make a legal commitment to your partner.

And that would strengthen the institution of civil union.

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Darkhawk June 6, I'm not interested in having my marriage legally obliterated just because I don't have a religion with sacramental marriage. I'm married, not uncivilly onionised. Replacing discrimination against same-sex couples with favoritism for a subset of religious organisations does not strike me as an improvement. Chris Sullins June 6, John, I agree with you on most of the points here.

But when you say that the marriage bigots' definition of marriage doesn't actually exist, I'd have to disagree.

Their definition does exist, and it is very prevalent, and that's precisely Married wife looking sex tonight Corning we're having so much trouble. Perhaps it's not the working legal definition right now, but it certainly exists. What it comes down to is that your views are going to be require them to change their personal definition of marriage but I'm not Married wife looking sex tonight Corning that's a bad thing.

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However, here in the United States, legally a man can marry a man, and a woman can marry a woman, and no number of dictionaries will change that fact. Defining marriage in the US as being between a man and a woman is incomplete Married wife looking sex tonight Corning a legal point of view, and therefore misleading and as used by some people, disingenuous.

And more to the point, defining marriage as only between a man and a woman is a definition that legally doesn't actually exist here in the US although one must note it is correct in any number of states where marriage bigots have Horny housewives Marcoola laws or amendment to that effect, including the state in which I live.

You are not tolerant of their viewpoints, thus calling them bigots, is in itself bigoted. But calling it marriage was a mistake, because that is not the definition of the word. I wouldn't call you Jewish if you worshipped Jesus as the Son of God, and I wouldn't call you Catholic if you said Jesus was merely a prophet. What if you suddenly started a sect that denied the divinity Married wife looking sex tonight Corning Jesus but you insisted on being called Catholic.

That would be silly. Or, if you suddenly demanded all triangles must be called circles, to use a non-religious example- to eliminate the Reformation argument. Far easier to legalize civil unions across the board, wait ten years, and then raise the marriage question again, no?

If you truly want homosexual "marriage" to ever have true legitimacy, quit depending on courts to award Marridd. The law in this area everywhere but Massachusetts came about naturally in response to human behavior. The idea of homosexual "marriage" as a serious concept is so recent, it's not realistic to expect the law to have caught up.